Nautilus arrivals at dealers.

[Cosmos36]

I assume your thumbnail pic was the mocha listed in the dealer's inventory...the other of two in stock was blue. Your pic also would confirm for some buyers that the N. fender badging is for real, much to the consternation of some folks.

 

Thanks.

[Adam]

Spotted (the until now rare) Lincoln Nautilus in its natural habitat, a dealer's lot.

This is not the one I test drove as upon our return to the dealership someone from service was waiting for us to take it away and prep it for its new owner. Yes, that Nautilus, which arrived on the lot less than two days ago, had sold to someone else mid-test.

BTW, I liked it a lot (though if I buy one it will be Black Label for the softer seats). I could feel the difference from testing an MKX, nice as it is. The Nautilus with its tweaked 2.7tt mated to the new 8-speed transmission and revised suspension was smooth and powerful with a lag-free throttle, quick acceleration, and great handling (in S and sport mode).

The cell phone charging pad was glitchy, though I think it was because of the type of phone I have (with the wireless charging electronics embedded in my attached power pack accessory instead of in the phone itself), but that's the only negative I found.

Tweaked 2.7? Did the N get the updated one from the pickups?

[Gurgeh]

Cosmos, yep and yep.

 

Adam, several of the "first drive" reviews out of Santa Barbara quoted a Lincoln engineer who was there who referred, without going into detail, to a bunch of changes made to the 2.7 for the Nautilus. Let me see if I can find one of those stories, and if I do I will edit this and link it below.

 

From NY Daily News:

"The 2019 Nautilus is available with a choice of two engines: an all-new, turbocharged 2.0-liter 4-cylinder and an updated 2.7-liter twin-turbo V6."

 

From Motor1:

"At the top of the Nautilus range, there's a more powerful twin-turbocharged 2.7-liter V6 engine – an EcoBoost engine, if you prefer the marketing name – that produces 335 horsepower and 380 pound-feet of torque. This is near the top-end of the class in terms of power. Lincoln says it's a heavily revised carry-over from the MKX, and like the smaller 2.0-liter unit, comes paired to a brand-new eight-speed automatic transmission."

 

From CNET:

"Most of my time, however, was spent with the optional 2.7-liter twin-turbocharged V6 engine -- a carryover from the last-generation MKX that boasts internal efficiency improvement but the same 335 horsepower and 380 pound-feet of torque as before."

 

From Automobile Magazine:

"Most of the Nautiluses—Nautili?—in Lincoln’s test fleet here were equipped with the optional 335-hp 2.7-liter twin-turbo EcoBoost V-6, same engine as in the Ford F-150, even though the company forecasts 70 percent of buyers, more or less, will choose the 250-hp 2.0-liter EcoBoost turbo I-4."

Edited October 19, 2018 by Gurgeh

[Cosmos36]

I don't think it's any secret that the Gen Two 2.7TT engine (installed in the current F150 and likely the Nautilus) has several improvements over the 2.7TT engine in the 2016-2018 MKXs. The Gen Two has a dual injection (direct & port) system that offers several collateral induction/fuel timing/torque improvements, including fuel bathing of the intake valves, beefed-up internal construction, friction reduction measures, etc. Mated to the 8-speed transmission, the engine tweeks offer a somewhat more sophisticated drivetrain, especially fuel/torque management and emission control related to the dual induction features.

Edited October 19, 2018 by Cosmos36

[Adam]

Yes, I am aware of these improvements. I’m keen to find out whether the N receives the updated 2.7.

[Cosmos36]

Yes, I am aware of these improvements. I’m keen to find out whether the N receives the updated 2.7.

 

I have been very frustrated in reading the many reviews of the N. and, as yet, failing to find any mention of a dual direct-port injection system referencing the 2.7 engine. Most reviews simply mention that "...both engines use direct injection." Ford media releases have also been silent. Maybe they think the public is too ignorant to understand or care.

 

There are significant differences between the 1st and 2nd gen 2.7 engines.

 

Arrgh!!

 

I'm also miffed at a similar silence about details between the 2.7 & 3.0 engines other than mentioning bore/stroke and cast iron/aluminum blocks respectively.

Edited October 20, 2018 by Cosmos36

[Rick65inlosangeles]

As I am thinking about ordering a Nautilus early next year, I inquired yesterday about the Gen 2,  2.7 EB engine with my Lincoln fleet manager here in Los Angeles.  His response was:

 

“My research seems show that at this time it is not the second generation in the Nautilus. I will ask Lincoln though and let you know”.

 

So, I guess until we have hard proof, we're all in the dark.

 

I find it "not" amusing that the standard engine in the Nautilus is the 2.0 EB while the standard engine in the 2019 Ranger is the 2.3 EB.

 

THIS IS A Fu_king Lincoln where the standard engine SHOULD be the 2.3 and the Black Label model should have the 2.7 as standard and the optional engine the 3.0 

Edited October 21, 2018 by Rick65inlosangeles

[elijahbird7]

And the 2.3L with 285 HP is offered in the much lighter MKC, which should be the base in the Nautilus in my opinion, although I would still buy one with the 2.7 regardless.

[Gurgeh]

And the 2.3L with 285 HP is offered in the much lighter MKC, which should be the base in the Nautilus in my opinion, although I would still buy one with the 2.7 regardless.

 

...or even better, as Rick65 argued, the 3.0.

[akirby]

I agree about the 2.3L instead of the 2.0L. There must be a supply constraint on the 2.3L or it’s a CAFE issue.

 

I don’t think the chassis or tranny can handle the 3.0L. Going forward I expect the 2.7L to be the largest transverse engine available in any Ford.

[Adam]

I agree about the 2.3L instead of the 2.0L. There must be a supply constraint on the 2.3L or it’s a CAFE issue.

I don’t think the chassis or tranny can handle the 3.0L. Going forward I expect the 2.7L to be the largest transverse engine available in any Ford.

The 3.0 fits in the MKZ. Aren’t the two on the same platform?

[thisguy159]

Mkz mkx continental fusion edge all based on the same platform so no reason the 3.0 wouldn't work. Second stop complaining about the base engine especially if everybody that has complanined about it say "I would of course go for the 2.7". I'm sure the decision is based on leaving a good gap between 2.7 and the base engine and two for fuel economy as that is still something highly weighted in the public opinion.

[akirby]

The 3.0 fits in the MKZ. Aren’t the two on the same platform?

Same platform, different transmission. I don’t think they designed the new tranny to handle the 3.0L. The 3.0L is going to be used in the new Explorer/Aviator where it doesn’t need to be torque managed. I also think the 3.0 in the MKZ requires some torque management whereas the 2.7L probably doesn’t with the new tranny.

[Adam]

^ ah the move to the new 8-speed.  I see.

 

I'm eager to see and test out a new Nautilus in person.  I'm very curious about all the changes - they should be noticeable since I've been driving the newest gen model since July of 2015.  I'd like to see how auto start-stop and auto brake hold work together as well.

 

At this point, I'm leaning towards a top-line Aviator (maybe plug-in, maybe not) if it will fit into my garage (length may be an issue).

[walkabout]

Length may be an issue? And nobody is going to come back with a "that's what she said.."?  Sometimes, this forum is disappointing. 

 

I'll bet anything the engine choices were driven by the bean counters.  For whatever the reason, it was probably most cost efficient to go with the 2.7T and 2.0.  I think that is shortsighted, because Lincoln needs some engines that are exclusive.

 

I still think the 2.7T is on par with ANY mass market engine on the planet (to be clear what I a saying, I'm saying it is superior to the best of BMW, Honda, and the other famed engine makes - its a jewel).

[goatee]

There are a couple of N's with photos at biondilincoln.net.

[akirby]

I think it is easier and cheaper to keep the same engines for both Edge and Nautilus especially since they’re being replaced with a new platform in 3 or so years. Still a little disappointing though.

 

Another possibility is they keep the 2.0L and 2.7L for transverse (C2) vehicles and make the 2.3L and 3.0L exclusively RWD (CD6 - Explorer/Aviator, Ranger, Mustang).

[MKXMark]

This one looks kickass.

 

https://www.biondilincoln.net/new/Lincoln/2019-Lincoln-Nautilus-for-sale-Pittsburgh-f06bddd20a0e0a6b3da2e12bf31465c4.htm?searchDepth=4:15

[Cosmos36]

 

 

I still think the 2.7T is on par with ANY mass market engine on the planet (to be clear what I a saying, I'm saying it is superior to the best of BMW, Honda, and the other famed engine makes - its a jewel).

 

One thing is certain about both the 1st & 2nd Gen 2.7 Nano engine...there is no other production engine on the planet that contains the precise combination of several tech & engineering features in a single package. Starting with the two piece graphite iron block, count 'em up and surprise yourself. And, the Gen Two Nano is even better than the initial 2.7 engine. I am a big fan of dual induction systems with multi-purpose engineering that includes intake valve bathing.

[sdonaghey]

Just came back from my dealership this morning and there is a 2019 Nautilus sitting out front.  Just came in.  Not bad looking.

[goatee]

I asked the Lincoln Concierge about the 2.7 TT engine and will share what she told me.

 

 

 

I hope this email finds you well. Regarding the new Nautilus, if the 2.7 twin turbo engine being used in production is the Generation 2 version with both port and direct injection?  This is a great question and I am happy I was able to look into this for you. My resources show that it’s the same as any 2.7L with just direct injection, it is only the 3.7L that has both, and that is only in our Navigator. Thank you for your interest in Lincoln, I hope you have a great day.

 

 

Best Regards,   

 

So disappointed, they are using the first generation engine with direct injection only.  No dual system as we all hoped for.

 

   

Edited October 25, 2018 by goatee

[Gurgeh]

I asked the Lincoln Concierge about the 2.7 TT engine and will share what she told me.

 

 

 

I hope this email finds you well. Regarding the new Nautilus, if the 2.7 twin turbo engine being used in production is the Generation 2 version with both port and direct injection?  This is a great question and I am happy I was able to look into this for you. My resources show that it’s the same as any 2.7L with just direct injection, it is only the 3.7L that has both, and that is only in our Navigator. Thank you for your interest in Lincoln, I hope you have a great day.

 

 

Best Regards,   

 

So disappointed, they are using the first generation engine with direct injection only.  No dual system as we all hoped for.

 

   

 

Goatee, but is the response accurate? It claims that there is no such thing as a 2.7 with both port and direct injection, that such is only to be found in the 3.7 (and only in the Navigator 3.7).

[Cosmos36]

I asked the Lincoln Concierge about the 2.7 TT engine and will share what she told me.

 

 

 

 My resources show that it’s the same as any 2.7L with just direct injection

 

   

 

"...the same as any 2.7L..." ??? That phrasing is curious. It seems to deny the existence (or at least her knowledge) of other 2.7L engines in Ford products with dual injection.

 

Very disappointing confirmation from a Lincoln source. Since the Gen 2 engine is undoubtedly more $$$ to manufacture, the N. is being shortchanged with the very fine but less expensive engine.

 

This just isn't the model year for me to put my very satisfactory 2016 MKX out to pasture!

 

Thanks goatee.

Edited October 25, 2018 by Cosmos36

[akirby]

3.7L in the Navigator was obviously a typo and meant the 3.5LEB.

 

Wikipedia also implies that only the F150 gets the 2nd gen 2.7L and that the FWD models all stay with the older design (Fusion, Nautilus, Edge, Continental)

[goatee]

Yes I agree.  A typo about the 3.5L on the Navigator.  But that aside.  With this refresh/redesign, I would only expect the Gen2 engine be used.  New model, same engine as the 2017.  Believe me, I was ready to drive and order but not with the knowledge that perhaps next year's model may get the Gen2 2.7.