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There was an article on Google today from "The Detroit Bureau".  It was basically saying Ford wanted to drop Canadian production and in a few years will drop these two models.  They think Lincoln will do fine with the Corsair and Aviator and don't need the mid-size SUV.

This definitely would not be my choice.

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When you click on this it shows no story found, but scroll down and then it is there.

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Most likely posturing for the new UNIFOR contract.  They could move these to Flat Rock.

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In reading the Detroit Bureau article, the referral to the Explorer as a midsize SUV caused me to pause and give some thought to my viewing of that vehicle at the Portland International Auto show last February...that vehicle struck me (and most people viewing it) as huge. And, many folks walked away muttering about their preference for a more diminutive midsize two-row like Edge or Nautilus. I haven't compared the published dimensions of the Explorer vs the Nautilus...perhaps the svelte lines of the Nautilus cause it to appear less visually intimidating than the Explorer. For those who have no need for a 3-row, an option of a less expensive 2-row Explorer might attract buyers.

 

While on the subject...what's coming from China? And, am I hearing some rumors of poor quality Explorers? 

 

 

Edited by Cosmos36

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Well I guess my 2016MKX would be my last Lincoln (Ford).  Right now I'm holding out on the GV80 until the next generation Nautilus comes out ~21/22.

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1 hour ago, Cosmos36 said:

...While on the subject...what's coming from China? And, am I hearing some rumors of poor quality Explorers? 

 

 

 

多麼驚喜啊

 

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1 hour ago, NOTMY911 said:

 

多麼驚喜啊

 

That's encouraging...let's hope it works out for all concerned.

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UNIFOR contract definitely weighs in here. One would think that Nautilus (MKX) has had enough sales volume to substantiate keeping manufacturing here in North America. Certainly gives some thought for anyone considering future leases and purchases.   

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The significance of the UNIFOR contract (collective agreement of September 2020) will be what it reveals of Ford-Lincoln's future product allocation, i.e. mix of models & production locations over the next four years. Amidst current rumors and Ford's contradictory and/or constantly altered future model mix & production plans, e.g. code-named CDX 746 & 747 vehicles, the Rivian-Lincoln 2023 E-SUV, Mustang-Lincoln E-Mach on a 117 inch wheelbase, etc., it is difficult to ascertain whether Nautilus will survive past 2023. One thing seems certain...Ford-Lincoln will not abandon the ~ 112 inch wheelbase in their future vehicle plans. At this time we just can't be certain of where it will be assembled or whether it will be named 'Nautilus'. It certainly will not be a Bronco. 

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The Rivian Lincoln was already cancelled.

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Yes, at least for now purportedly due to the pandemic. I had to chuckle when earlier this week I noted two online media releases from Car & Driver mag (caranddriver.com), both dated April 28, 2020; one headline stated "Lincoln Mark E, a Rivian-based SUV, Coming in 2022", the other declaring "Lincoln Cancels Plans for Rivian-Based Electric Vehicle.

 

I included mention of the Rivian-Lincoln in my earlier post in recognition of the rapid changes re: auto forecasting.

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From what I read from Ford Authority, Nautilus will indeed be dropped from Oakville Plant in July 2024. Assembly will go to China. Wonder if (MKX) Nautilus will survive. 2021-2023 sales here will certainly suffer. Sad to see production leaving North America. Nautilus is such a great vehicle with that 2.7L.    

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58 minutes ago, Bravo27 said:

From what I read from Ford Authority, Nautilus will indeed be dropped from Oakville Plant in July 2024. Assembly will go to China. Wonder if (MKX) Nautilus will survive. 2021-2023 sales here will certainly suffer. Sad to see production leaving North America. Nautilus is such a great vehicle with that 2.7L.    


Don’t believe anything that’s reported in a contract negotiation year.  We’ll know after the contract is signed.

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After a strike vote Monday, a tentative agreement was negotiated in the early hours of Tuesday. Ford will likely issue the news soon.

It appears that ~ $1.95 billion, including CDN gov't contributions, will be invested in maintaining current production and retooling in 2024 for five (5) new electric models, the first coming in 2025.

Stay tuned. 

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It appears that Bev's will dominate Oakville but where does that leave MKX(Nautilus) productions a few years out. Is China still in the cards for the only assembly. Hope not.

  

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While it appears Oakville production of the Nautilus 'til 2024 is assured in the near term, the future for Nautilus "a few years out" seems to be endangered. At this time, rampant rumors, speculation, E-vehicle demand, and global conditions (strategic, economic, & political) make accurate forecasting impossible. I recently encountered a carbuzz.com article dated 9/14/20 that the 2021 Nautilus will have a "radically improved interior" similar to the Aviator...huh?

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15 hours ago, Cosmos36 said:

While it appears Oakville production of the Nautilus 'til 2024 is assured in the near term, the future for Nautilus "a few years out" seems to be endangered. At this time, rampant rumors, speculation, E-vehicle demand, and global conditions (strategic, economic, & political) make accurate forecasting impossible. I recently encountered a carbuzz.com article dated 9/14/20 that the 2021 Nautilus will have a "radically improved interior" similar to the Aviator...huh?

 

Yes, the new interior is pictured above.   There are 3 choices for post 2024:

 

C2 based replacement built in NA

C2 based replacement imported from China (I'm not buying this one)

Move to a BEV platform

 

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That photo of the '21 Nautilus interior, apparently taken on the Oakville assembly line, is now a surprise/bombshell appearing on several auto media websites (fordauthority.com, et al)...who would've thunk it? Wow...good on Lincoln for a life-extending improvement to a great two-seater. I could be tempted to part with my beloved 'winged grill'.

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6 hours ago, akirby said:

... C2 based replacement built in NA

 

Is the C2 would have a V6 3 TT?

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15 hours ago, NOTMY911 said:

 

Is the C2 would have a V6 3 TT?


I very much doubt that we’ll see anything larger than the 2.7L on C2.  And maybe I4s only.  High performance will probably come from BEVs and PHEVs going forward in this market.

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