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These lights are as basic as leds get there is no development cost that justifies the price. Look at bmw merc led lights to see what good leds do. My wife's Murano has leds so does the Hyundai Tuscon. What makes Lincoln special is just the look nothing else.

The lights are ok. They should just be advertised as "fixed."

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Maybe there is a misunderstanding of how they work. Picture 4 lamps in each headlamp assembly. 2 point forward (high and low beam), 1 points left and 1 points right. Whey you turn left the element pointing left is illuminated providing more light to the left. Same for the right. It’s exactly the same effect as the swiveling HIDs just accomplished in a completely different manner. And it wouldn’t be as noticeable.

 

Honestly I have the adaptive HIDs and 90% of the time I don’t even notice them. And with the LEDs being fixed there is no need for a driveway test as noted previously.

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Of course the lights themselves are fixed. But the light output moves just like the adaptive HIDs.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FyQIODWreik

I couldn't understand what they guys was saying but I think i heard blitzkrieg and Warsaw.

 

Anyways, I do agree I think with akriby that they leds turn on and off, the video however of a fusion/mondeo with their LED lights are much more advanced for some reason then Lincolns in that they actually do swivel and also adapt to the traffic speed etc.

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Just to be clear what I'm arguing, my contention is that the fixed LEDs don't have an effect that is anything close to the way "adaptive" lights typically work. I've had adaptive HIDs on two vehicles, a M-B sedan and a 3 series wagon. It wasn't highly noticeable but if you were looking, the effect was clearly there.  Also, if you stood in the driveway, and pulled the wheel hard to one side or the other, you could see the change.  It did make a difference coming around corners, although I never felt that it was a big deal.  

 

With the adaptive LEDs, there is no change whatsoever.  I'm saying none.  Zero. Zilch. Zippo.

 

Go around a corner, nothing happens.  Pull your wheel hard in the driveway or while stopped at a light, nothing happens.  There is no "adaptive" quality whatsoever to the LEDs and like the air conditioned seats and the obstacle sensors on the sides of the cars, its another Ford feature that simply doesn't work well enough to be even modestly useful. It borders on false advertising, in fact. 

 

I'm staring to think that the poor implementation of SOME of the electronics is another Achilles heal to the car (along with the meh interior fit and finish). The LEDs, cooled seats, and obstacle detectors all leave a lot to be desired. Almost all the other features (BLIS, rear cross traffice sensor, Sync 3) are fantastic. So, If I lease another (as I'm leaning toward doing), I'll be careful about checking the right  features on the option sheet. 

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Either yours are turned off (did you double check the menu?) or they’re broken or they only work at speed, not in the driveway. Perhaps someone else with the adaptive LEDs can comment on their experience with them at speed.

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Either yours are turned off (did you double check the menu?) or they’re broken or they only work at speed, not in the driveway. Perhaps someone else with the adaptive LEDs can comment on their experience with them at speed.

 

 

I have the LED lights as part of the luxury package and as walkabout stated, I see absolutely no adaptiveness with the LEDs.  They don't change at all.  Nothing like the Youtube video that was posted earlier today.  The right LED headlight puts out more light to the side than the left LED headlight.  I assume that is for lighting up the shoulder and ditch.  That light pattern never changes.  And of course there is the auto dimming for the high beams.  That's it.  

 

You would think that if the LEDs were truly adaptive, Ford/Lincoln would have put out a promotional video on the MKX highlighting and promoting this feature.  They didn't.  Just a vauge mention of the LEDs being adaptive.

 

With that said, I am very happy with the luxury package and would order it again.  I love the Revel Ultima sound system and the look of the LEDs.

 

Mike

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The LEDs are not adaptive - they're fixed. That was a bit of a fib by ford marketing.

 

^^^This.  At first, I thought that the adaptive functionality in my LED's was manifested by different side LED segments illuminating based on whether the steering wheel was turned or not.  I have since come to the conclusion that nothing happens....

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It’s completely correct and accurate. There are some LEDs elements that shine to the left and some that shine to the right and the rest shine straight ahead. As you turn the wheel the appropriate right or left LEDs should light up giving the exact same affect as the HIDs that swivel. And I don’t think a driveway test is accurate - they may only work when the vehicle is moving.

 

"Should", but they don't.  I have done numerous tests to determine if there is any change whatsoever, and there is no change in the LED segment illumination based on which direction I am turning my steering wheel.

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"Should", but they don't.  I have done numerous tests to determine if there is any change whatsoever, and there is no change in the LED segment illumination based on which direction I am turning my steering wheel.

At speed or sitting in the driveway? I’m thinking they may not work unless the vehicle is moving which makes it hard to detect.

 

I agree if they do nothing then it’s at best misleading and maybe false advertising. I just find it hard to believe they don’t work as advertised - the concept is really simple.

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At speed or sitting in the driveway? I’m thinking they may not work unless the vehicle is moving which makes it hard to detect.

 

I agree if they do nothing then it’s at best misleading and maybe false advertising. I just find it hard to believe they don’t work as advertised - the concept is really simple.

 

Both sitting and moving.  Along with watching the ground very closely to see if there was any detectable side illumination through curves, I also followed a vehicle, watching the reflection off the rear of that car.  Nothing... nada... zilch.

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I'm glad that others are confirming.

 

And yes I have the menu item checked.

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If this is the case, has anybody contacted ford about the obvious mistake and gotten some soft of adjustment.  If you all are correct then the is no adjustment adaptability or otherwise to the lights other then they are led.

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There were reports on this website by a fellow who had several kease payments refunded as a result.

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I have a Reserve with all the bells and whistles but can’t find any menu items other than auto high beams. Where is that option lurking?

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Sorry to mislead. There isn't an option in a menu for the adaptive function (which didn't exist anyway). There are other options related to the lights though. I had checked this dialogs earlier, which is what I meant above. Apologies.

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But isn’t there an option for the adaptive HIDs? Too cold for me to go look and too late to go browse the manual.

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The manual says the adaptive headlamps work over 3MPH and have menu settings for left hand traffic or right hand traffic.

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He said he had a loaded reserve which would mean the LEDs. The LEDs are not adaptive and there is no such option in the menus, which is why he can't find it. There are other options in the menus related to the lights though.

 

Lincoln has removed the term "adaptive" from the advertising for newer models (like the Continental) as a result.

 

I have a MKZ loaner right now with adaptive HIDs. Much sharper cutoff than the LEDs. Otherwise, I don't see a big difference.

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Lincoln has removed the term "adaptive" from the advertising for newer models (like the Continental) as a result.

 

Not true. From the Continental website at Lincoln.com:

 

Dynamic adaptive HID headlamps, standard on the Lincoln Continental, swivel from side to side with the steering wheel. As you turn the steering wheel, the entire beam pattern sweeps across the road in the direction of the turn, helping to illuminate a wider stretch of road when compared to non-adaptive headlamps.

 

At speeds between 1 and 35 mph, the reflectors in the available adaptive full-LED headlamps are slowly activated and deactivated, widening the low-beam pattern to help illuminate pedestrians or other roadside objects. The reflectors also adapt in relation to the steering wheel position, adding more light in the direction of the turn.

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Look at the brochure on the lincoln website in the optional packages. The HIDs are described as adaptive the LEDs are not.

 

I won't claim to have read all the Lincoln literature on the Continental but thats not what the downloadable brochure claims.

 

Oh, and the dealer did confirm yesterday that the LEDs on my vehicle are not adaptive.

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Look at the brochure on the lincoln website in the optional packages. The HIDs are described as adaptive the LEDs are not.

I won't claim to have read all the Lincoln literature on the Continental but thats not what the downloadable brochure claims.

Oh, and the dealer did confirm yesterday that the LEDs on my vehicle are not adaptive.

You’re correct that both the order guide and brochure say Premium LED headlamps. But the website still has the verbiage I posted above.

 

I guess we won’t know for sure until somebody puts a piece of cardboard over one light and records the light pattern while turning a corner.

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FWIW, I have a loaner MKZ (and, I still say that the Fusion/MKZ is one of the best sedans in the class) with adaptable HIDs. I like the LEDs a lot more, mainly because there isn't such a sharp cutoff.  I honestly don't see either as a life-or-death improvement over halogens though. 

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Well folks I can vouch for this "Adaptive LED" misquote by Ford/Lincoln.  I receive a letter early 2016 that said that is was a miss-print, along with a few other things.  This conversation was started in 2015 pertaining to the MY16's.  I am still floored by them offering that as a sales pitch but hey I paid cash for mine so I guess I'll deal with it.  I originally bought it for my wife who then gave it to me, for which she got real "Adaptive LEDs" in the 2017 MDX.  So here is the original conversation starter, enjoy.  

 

http://lincolnmkxforum.com/topic/777-hate-being-stonewalled/

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I can understand why they might have to change them either due to technical issues or DOT regulations, but continuing to advertise them as adaptive LEDs if they’re not is inexcusable.

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