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#41 OFFLINE   walkabout

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 12:53 PM

Very interesting.  I always though the car got evaluated after a MMC change, and then didn't get evaluated again without some major change (like a new engine or transmission).

 

My MPG has hit the EPA's predictions (about 19 MPG).  Kind of interesting too, as most vehicles seem to get worse MPG than they predict. 







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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:50 PM

My MPG has hit the EPA's predictions (about 19 MPG). Kind of interesting too, as most vehicles seem to get worse MPG than they predict.

Thou art light of foot ....

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:50 PM

I think there may be certain triggers that force a retest.  I know the mix of options sold and vehicle weight plays a big part.

 

Back in 1999 when the 2000 Lincoln LS debuted they changed the sport model options to remove the subwoofers and the rear headrests after a few months of production.   They were selling more sport models than expected and the extra weight of the amps and the headrests pushed it into a different weight category which may have caused it to get a gas guzzler tax.   Or something to that effect.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:52 PM

We're getting 19 mixed with the 3.7L.   Our old 2008 Edge with the 3.5L got around 17.  About what I expected.   Then again I just fill up with the gas credit card - wife pays the bills.   I have no idea how much we pay for gas.   With both of us working from home 99% of the time it isn't very much.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:28 PM

Thou art light of foot ....

 In LA traffic, you have to be light of foot because you are not going anywhere.  This is the land where the ground moves and the traffic doesn't.

 

A lot of the miles on my vehicle come from taking my bike to the beach bike paths, or hitting trail heads for hikes.  Some of that is open highway (going early in the morning, back in the night it is traffic, traffic, and more traffic).

So, I my MPG may be inflated.

 

My 3 series, which was a much smaller vehicle,  got about 23.  



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:35 PM

Even minor weight changes due to different option combinations and take rates or calibration changes can affect the window sticker mpg. It's quite a complicated formula.


They probably adjusted the numbers because 2016 were to embellished. So they took a safe route and adjusted. I will never believe that there is any change to 2017 in weight to justify the change. Because this is a low volume vehicle I guess not that much stink is raised over this but my wife's old Elantra which was VERY popular had a class action lawsuits that resulted in her getting a gas card based on the mileage she had driven to compensate for the incorrectly stated fuel economy.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:29 PM

They don't have to change the weight. They may have simply sold more Titaniums than they anticipated.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:45 PM

That Revel Ultima® Audio System with nineteen (19) speakers does add some weight...


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:41 AM

Ok I am now convinced the milage is shit on the mkx. Driving the Durango and now Acadia 2017 it is a lot easier to get decent milage in those cars. Doing 80 in mkx I can get on flat ground 22mpg.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 11:02 AM

I am advisor getting very close to epa numbers. Crappy still but I'm ok with it knowing that going in.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 11:47 AM

issues with posting when the freak'in ads are rolling on this site. but I digress. actual mileage for my X (big engine), 21" wheels on a 20 mile drive to work; 50% @ 50MPH and 50% at 60 - 65 is 24 - 26.5,based on temperature closer to 26 most of the time, . Highway trip at 70 - 75 is 23 - 24. I drive closer to the egg under the foot comment but not a wimp by any stretch of the imagination. Also I use regular mode set to sport, not sport mode. I had a E350 MB with a 268HP V6 engine and could get 28 on the highway, at 75MPH. the X seems to drop off considerably at >65MPH. I have a 5hr highway trip coming up and 80 will be the average speed, should be interesting to see what I get.
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Posted 24 March 2017 - 12:46 PM

 the X seems to drop off considerably at >65MPH.

 

Every tall utility is going to drop off a lot as you get over 55 mph - moreso than a sleeker sedan.  It may be aerodynamic, but it's still a brick by comparison and the amount of power and therefore fuel required to keep it at speeds above 55 increases by the square of the speed.    It takes over twice as much power to go 80 mph as it does to go 55.



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:23 PM

Shape is not the issue ...Permeant all wheel drive 6 speed trans and weight are the culprit

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:51 PM

Both the Durango and Acadia are EPA rated higher than the MKX, so no big surprise there. (MKX is rated 24 highway, Durango at 26). And you mileage actually sounds right for 80 mph. Remember that auto manufacturers just run dynamo tests to estimate the EPA mpg, and although they vary the speed, never get over 60 (avg is around 48).

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:12 PM

Shape is not the issue ...Permeant all wheel drive 6 speed trans and weight are the culprit

 

Shape is most assuredly the issue at 80 mph for a utility vs. a sedan.



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 03:50 PM

Shape is most assuredly the issue at 80 mph for a utility vs. a sedan.


But we are not comparing a sedan and SUV. At 80 mph all other comperable and even bigger SUVs do better.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 04:51 PM

Shape is not the issue ...Permeant all wheel drive 6 speed trans and weight are the culprit

Is not permanent AWD.  It is on-demand.  Its very aggressive in shifting power to the rear, but when cruising on the highway, it generally FWD only. 

 

I think weight, aerodynamics, the aggressiveness of the AWD setup, the six speed, and the powerful engine (380 pounds of torque is going to hurt at the pump) are all culprits. 



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 06:39 PM

But we are not comparing a sedan and SUV. At 80 mph all other comperable and even bigger SUVs do better.


I wasn't disagreeing with that - I haven't looked at the numbers. I was referring to the comment about getting crap mpg at 80 mph.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:09 PM

When you drive a Lincoln, you aren't supposed to worry about Gas mileage or the price of Gas---  I was told that a long time ago by a family member.   The premise meaning if you could afford an expensive car, gas shouldnt' be an issue.  I think that way myself.


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